@leemountste @GaryGzgru @AbiWilks Okay Nazi guy is getting boring. I don’t even particularly want to sleep with his wife. Block.

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@ChubbyRoots Yes. We all organize our lives around certain values and they can only be realized in another’s eyes

@Timlagor @Of_The_Root @ClimateBen I know, he was running for “a new type of politics” where people would be nice to each other, & discuss issues instead of personalities. The entire political class screamed “fuck off! I don’t want to talk about fucking issues!” and sabotaged & insulted him 24/7 but he held to it.

@SkyStapley @iainmunro10 do you ever once hear anyone say, “when I was a student, I was heavily involved in the anti-terraforming movement but now I realise we went too far”? – or “the engineering workers’ union on colony X is on strike again so we’ll have to wait for it to be resolved to talk to them”?

@SkyStapley @iainmunro10 I mean 600-odd episodes and no one ever mentions a political division that isn’t racial. No social movements. No profound philosophical cleavages that are resolved through any kind of democratic process.

@SkyStapley @iainmunro10 again, they make that claim at some point when they pretty much have to but then go on to act as if it weren’t true. Did you once see anyone so much as discuss an election, referendum, parliamentary manoeuvre, political party, policy debate, untying you might see in a democracy?

@kevinhirn parents, teachers, mentors, family members, perhaps a smattering of intellectual or political heroes

@Prolapsarian No in his case, he was trying for all those years to impress me. But it didn’t work because I only found he even existed yesterday.

@underscoremarx @iainmunro10 that’s not “just like now.” People, even in the military, let alone NASA, talk about national politics, political issues, politicians, all the time.

@underscoremarx @iainmunro10 we’re talking over 600 episodes & somehow no one ever once mentions a party affiliation? Or ok, they’re beyond parties. No one ever assesses an office-holder, says “I didn’t vote for that guy”? Discusses a pol difference & how it is resolved through some democratic mechanism?

@underscoremarx @iainmunro10 actually I think once they had to address the issue & they couldn’t very well say it wasn’t a democracy, but look at the show. Ok, the characters are in the military sure. But does anyone even once mention an election, vote, party, or public opinion survey?

@H_Y_L @iainmunro10 Def. Cook was attempting to be a peaceful explorer and not a conqueror – but in the end he killed a lot of people

@ngon1daai6wai6 Yes Star Trek is also a bunch of Cold War Americans saying “well if WE did Communism, we’d do it way better than the Russkies.”

@leemountste @AbiWilks Once again, an example of when anything like this has happened in the past might be helpful?

@leemountste @AbiWilks Right like they did in … in … in …? Well I guess the US or Australia might be examples of illegal immigrants taking over & massacring the existing population. But usually you have to conquer them first to do that

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@leemountste @AbiWilks In the early to mid 20C guys like you were trying to keep Jewish refugees fleeing pogroms & then the rise of the Nazis from escaping too. If you’d succeeded I’d never have been as my entire family would have been murdered

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@dayvidbaaba @DavidOlusoga in the Americas they also often tended to be worked to death in a fairly short period of time. So it was utter atrocity. I do wonder how to create a language to overcome the ruling class’ endless attempts to set all workers against each other, that doesn’t belittle such facts

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@bradski_nomaths @jrhennessy @Patrick_Wyman @davidwengrow I guess the place to look would be Pausanias, who wrote a tour guide to Greece mainly for Roman tourists. If there were any such attractions he’d have surely noted them.

@bradski_nomaths @jrhennessy @Patrick_Wyman interesting question! I’m not sure how we’d know. Gardens for pleasure, sure & historically these have included diversions, mazes, pools, fountains to play in, but when do you draw the line and say something is a “ride”? .@davidwengrow

@NathanielEdmund @markgrueter it’s sad to have to point this out but thanks you for doing so