@RKemb yeah but the amazing thing is how little there have been. I haven’t seen a single automated delivery or talked to a single person who claims to have got one

@AlanPennue @DogfoxStudios @girlziplocked well you know what they say of the Quakers, they came to America to do good, but ended up doing well

@DogfoxStudios @AlanPennue @girlziplocked it’s also the competitiveness, trying to show you’re superior to other puritans/white activists by the fact you more fully understand and internalise the depth of your corruption & baseness, based in original sin

@Bohaimed_77 it would be interesting to make the comparison but I don’t myself know enough

@BenCS13 I live in England now and Americans and Canadians sometimes unthinkingly ask me how was my Thanksgiving. I always say “we don’t have that here. If we had anything, it we could organise a ‘Good Riddance Day’.”

@Zvicha_ @Itmechr3 it could be just I coincidentally don’t happen to like much of what I’ve heard – in the ’90s and ’00s I found obscure varieties of hip hop that I loved, admittedly mostly American, perhaps now I just haven’t caught the ones that suit my idiosyncratic taste?

@Zvicha_ @Itmechr3 yeah this is why I worry – cheesy pop music has always been bad, it’s just the way it’s bad has changed; I assume Grime etc is good, I’m just kind of blind to the variety of genres & what makes them innovative

@leftyjew yeah I know I said “Christianity runs deep” but some of the people who reacted that way were in fact Jewish

@Chomskyter it even happens in circumstances which have nothing to do with structural inequality. I’ve met individuals who are just kind of mean & rotten to others, who seem to think if they at least hate themselves for it, that makes it better. No. If anything it makes it even worse.

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@MattTGrant this is why I like the phrase “white supremacy”. White people have disproportionate power. Obviously this is unfair. So there’s a problem. Ok. How do we fix the problem?

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@SamuraiElf after the meeting, everyone remembered her as the most dedicated anti-racist & no one noticed she hadn’t helped out despite having way more money and the other guy did despite having less 3/

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@SamuraiElf many of the rich ones didn’t throw in a penny, but one indignantly called out one of the working class activists who did, for some word he’d used which she considered indirectly offensive. It provided perfect cover. 2/

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@SamuraiElf it also goes along with a class habitus that prioritises words over action. My ex, Erica, always cited a meeting she was at where the topic of providing help for migrants needing visa application money came up. All the activists of poor backgrounds chipped in at least a bit 1/

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@rattlecans well yes you have to allow for areas of honest disagreement. But even in that case I’d rather have what you describe than the present arrangement!

@Frogisis well my take-away from the “middle class privilege” discussion is just, not to think so much about ourselves at all, but try to think about other people.

@dareljedid well you can’t deny it rather worked – there are a lot of Christians in the world. But point taken.

@MastaOpuppetz well I’ve never sat in on a full “platform” session but I’ve kind of got the feeling for how they work from people’s accounts, reflections, explanations …

@rattlecans well it’s very post-Maoist, they call it “platform”, a collective effort to think through what happened when something went wrong with the subject of analysis being assigned an advocate who can instantly shut anyone up who gets personal …

@tauphipi that all sounds very reasonable but if people are just a product of their conditioning, that 1. means those people who seem to rise above their conditioning are just misfiring robots, 2. it suggests we think of ourselves as reprogramming people which has a dubious history