@JillGore8 @simon_r_katz @Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool The one thing I find disgusting, by the Bidenites, Blairites, now Starmites is this bullying behavior saying people like me HAVE TO support people we don’t like, when the main thing we’re mad about is the fact MPs got those people into power by refusing to act that way

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@JillGore8 @simon_r_katz @Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool Sorry but that did it for me. I was willing to give him some benefit of the doubt before that but in the face of the biggest scandal in Labour history his reaction was to offer the victims nothing and culprits everything. All the most dire predictions turned out to be true

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@JillGore8 @simon_r_katz @Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool The report WAS the result of an investigation. He choose to create a second investigation which was directed by people known to be allies of the exact people supposedly under investigation.

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@simon_r_katz @JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool his reaction to the LabourLeaks made it utterly clear. That was his chance to actually be a healer in the party. Instead he chose to be ultra sectarian in favour of the party’s right wing. Clearly he has no intention of challenging the status quo.

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@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool they won’t have reason to, since KS clearly has no intention of presenting the slightest threat to power or privilege

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@Valerie3Ward @kronstadtkool @JillGore8 The report WAS an investigation. You can’t just order another investigation if you don’t like what the first turned up

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@Mungo_5 @Valerie3Ward @JillGore8 instead he went out of his way to do the exact opposite, to be as sectarian, divisive, and uninterested in unity and healing as possible. Fine. If that’s the way he wants to play it, don’t complain if others do the same.

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@Mungo_5 @Valerie3Ward @JillGore8 if he were genuinely interested in healing rifts, like he claimed, rather than being an agent for one wing of the party vehemently opposed to another (as we claimed), it would be very easy to take the opportunity now to show his even-handedness

@Mungo_5 @Valerie3Ward @JillGore8 exactly: he’s making clear that if you’re on the right wing of the party, any behaviour is acceptable, if you’re on the left, he’ll come after you with everything he has. Then people call the left divisive for objecting! No. He’s the divisive one.

@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward you can’t have it both ways. Starmer refuses to even suspend people in the Labour bureaucracy revealed to have been TRYING to make their party lose, instead, he’s going after whoever spilled the beans. Fine. That’s the kind of behaviour he thinks should be rewarded. His turn.

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@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward voting for Starmer is, effectively, saying “I do not believe the people who behaved that way should be punished, I think they should be rewarded by getting their man in charge”. Okay. Well if that’s the behaviour that you think should get rewarded, fine, we’,ll do that

@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward yeah I was for five years when Starmer’s current support base refused to accept two different votes by the vast majority of Labour members & campaigned for their own party to lose rather than live with Corbyn. Sorry. Too late,

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@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward you don’t but you seem to be trying to convince me I am under some obligation to support him, even if he does things I can’t stand, because there’s going to be an election in five years. That’s absurd.

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@JillGore8 @Valerie3Ward There will be an ejection in five years. What is your scenario for it happening earlier?

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@JillGore8 @Mungo_5 @Valerie3Ward To the contrary his handling of the #LabourLeaks scandal has been utterly horrific

@Valerie3Ward @JillGore8 There won’t be a national election for years. There is a way to remove Starmer as LOTO (he supported an attempt to remove Corbyn) but no chance of removing Johnson right now. So what you’re saying is nonsense. This is the time to see if he’s any good and replace him if he isn’t

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@avi_khalil @monk51295 @dominichills5 @inside_lemon If about limiting collective decision-making to concrete courses of action, assuming ideas are and should be diverse, but ensuring no one is or feels forced to do something they detest

@avi_khalil @monk51295 @dominichills5 @inside_lemon actually consensus isn’t aiming for an agreed idea

@Lawbow3 @YoungDryas oh yes two of my favourites. I definitely had those in the back of my head, but I’m not sure about numbers. If you read French Fete et Revolte by Berce has lots of fun examples of carnivals that led to insurrections

@YoungDryas oh I can’t remember but there’s a lot of material about 14th and 15th century festive life that makes this point – does Silvia Federici cite it in the beginning of Caliban and the Witch? (I don’t cite it in the book?)

@lucascasa yes I’d agree, I was just saying the name turns people off. But then so does “anarchist” so it’s a minor point.

@idyiani this is a little like asking what I think about air. Or my opinions on the existence of electrons.

@ianmiell @TruthGundlach oh glad someone’s reading that book. As for unlimited: well yes, nothing is unlimited. I guess velocity is the real limit not quantity, they can print unlimited amounts if people just sit on it. But then one would have to ask what’s the point.

@inside_lemon @monk51295 the word “academic” is almost only used as a bad word, implying someone who identifies more with the institutional structures than with the thought itself. To me “intellectual” at least referring to thinking.

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@inside_lemon @monk51295 well yes, I think of myself as coming from a family of working class intellectuals, since they had working class jobs but filled the house with books. I guess “intelligensia” is a class term, more, people who are paid for abstract knowledge work of some kind.

@ianmiell @TruthGundlach seems to have worked since the 18th century or so, since pretty much all major governments have been in continual debt since at least 1750. So it’s not a “solution”, it’s just how modern states always seem to work.

@TruthGundlach the purpose of taxation is to create a monopoly over government-approved forms of credit money. Anyone can give someone an IOU, but only banks can give someone an IOU which they can also use to pay their taxes. That’s also why everything needs to be taxed.