@gautham_t yeah I think there’s some posturing but also some wavering.But let me put this to you: what harm would it be to call it generously? If we spread the word cops are starting to defect, & it wasn’t true when we said it, it’d still be more likely to become true because we said it

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@TheChampSoc @michaeljswalker so you’re saying under Trump of all people they suddenly for the first time put intelligent people in charge of crowd control? Seems unlikely.

@MalamasSotiriou it’s fascinating how many people felt it was important to publicly comment without actually reading the article, but only looking at the picture and caption.

@f_a_r_t_s if it’s a PR stunt it’s 1. totally a new one, and 2. there’s a reason for that because it’s hardly going to encourage protestors to go home.

@antiworkk @groceryheist @h_hudson_ Sorry, any real revolutionary knows when the loyalty of the security forces starts to waver, that means you’re starting to win. Anyone who feels the important thing to emphasise at that moment is that the security forces are personally bad people isn’t a revolutionary. Bye.

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@antiworkk @groceryheist @h_hudson_ who’s excusing? Why are Americans so fucking moralistic? What’s wrong with you guys? I’m talking tactics from the perspective of a revolutionary who actually wants to win. You’re talking puritanical moral superiority from the perspective of someone who assumes they can only lose.

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@guyonguyonov Yeah I do have a lot of experience, hundreds of actions. You’re just wrong. This doesn’t happen normally.

@QuixoticLefty I’ve been doing this stuff for decades – I’ve NEVER seen cops ordered to join protestors as a de-escalation tactic. If that’s what it is, it’s a very new playbook. Doesn’t seem like the sort of thing they’d newly invent under Trump.

@muke10101 I didn’t say it was a revolution, that’s still unlikely; but when a revolution happens, that’s generally the first sign – loyalty of the security forces is publicly seen to waver.

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@CommieAntics well yes ultimately that’d be the only significant thing, but as someone who’s been involved in mobilisations of one sort or another for decades, I know cops REALLY don’t like protests against other cops. If they’re expressing solidarity that’s crazy.

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@Hauske if so it’s a new one, and it would be very odd that it would have been introduced under Trump

@hamasinpitta @peterjukes True enough. Actually we don’t even know who’s on there. Niall Ferguson we only know because he broke lockdown to cheat on his wife. What is an economic historian doing there anyway? Who else is there? Jeremy Clarkson? David Icke?

@hamasinpitta @peterjukes I think the point is why do we have medical policy during a pandemic being formulated by a secret body with professional political propagandists on it in the first place – regardless of whether the PM has final say? Is this normal? Is there any other country that did this?

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@CesariLaurent1 @ChapelleDavid @Gjpvernant No I have lots of things to say but people keep asking me to say the same thing

@trevken @VaushV I don’t actually know who you are or what you’re on about but you seem like a very unpleasant person so I think I will stop interacting with you.

@parsonshanged @AllezLesBoulez Sorry – problem with twitter is you get people seriously saying that kind of thing

@dominichills5 @ProletkultRisi1 @BigBenzilla It’s just standard practice. Sometimes for instance you use them to justify attacking peaceful protestors in a part of the city far from where things are kicking off

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@ProletkultRisi1 @dominichills5 @BigBenzilla Yes you don’t need outside provocateurs if you just continually gas and bomb protestors, some of them will, predictably, attack something, usually an empty building

@AllezLesBoulez do you have any idea how much prep work has to go into organising enough buses to bring a significant number of protestors from one city to another? People would have had to have been organising for months & not secretly, either.

@dominichills5 well there are always agents provocateur it’s a standard police practice but I don’t think they have the power to create a generalised insurrection unless it was going to happen anyway

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@landgabriel @RichardAiken17 this is true. I had a friend whose brother was once convicted of some minor crime (theft?) but got off for mental illness. However as a result he was unemployable as he was officially registered as criminally insane. The only job he could get was as a cop!

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@Itsnotadistrac1 oh yes I remember remarking at the time the extraordinary disparity of the reaction of the police, & state media. The police acted like we were a major threat to the nation, the media, as if we were so unimportant they didn’t need to tell anyone we existed at all. Funny that.

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@mattmireles @LusciousPear endless droning that OWS “failed” because it didn’t develop a leadership & specific policy demands, ignores the fact OWS succeeded in happening at all because 200,000 protests/movements that did have a leadership, policy focus, etc utterly & completely failed

@mattmireles @LusciousPear as opposed to the activists of the ’60s, ’70s, ’80s, ’90s. ’00s who all had a clear political agenda, goals, demands, and thus were so extraordinarily effective they turned the US into an anti-racist socialist paradise